Are Whites and Blacks both “hassled” by police?

I am curious: I am curious if any white folks get “hassled” by the police?

If so, do you video tape it? How do you handle it?

Are blacks “targeted?”

Do we hear about stops and real or perceived injustices more from blacks because we go to the camera or news and whites don’t or does it only happen to blacks?

If you are white, have you been pulled over because you were in the wrong neighborhood?

Have you been asked to leave a certain area because you were making people uncomfortable?

Have you been pulled over or stopped and acted childish and gotten a ticket?

Has someone called the popo on you trying to get in or out of a house?

Get stopped or a ticket for loitering?

And so on… there are all sorts of “I have been wronged” or hassled by the police situations

Or have you ever been unjustly interrogated?

Or do you know of other whites who have had issues with the police? Doesn’t have to be you. Even links or news stories.

 

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This is not about bashing the police, and I, Ayesha Kreutz, am pro-police! I believe police officers and first responders have a difficult and dangerous job. I am simply curious as to why there are so many news stories and social media posts and hype shown about blacks. So I posted the question on my facebook page and so far have found hundreds of whites have also been “improperly” targeted, or hassled by the police. (I use quotes because that is people perception and not necessarily the facts or the truth.

What is the difference in the reporting of such things?

 

Here are some of the responses – Feel Free to add your experience – This is just an experiment

Adam JunodMy dad never got pulled over without a cop at least unsnapping the holster. Always given a hard time.

Paul Rusin – You especially get harassed if you know your rights, and aren’t afraid to speak up. Cops don’t like their authority challenged, even if they are in the wrong.

Derek Beckwith –  Yes, I got lost once and got nailed thinking I was there to buy drugs, he had his hand on his weapon, and I verbally told him what I was going to do before moving my hands. I have had long talks with my kids, 13 and 9, how to handle police if you are ever stopped so not to get shot because they have seen shootings on tv.

Ginny –  I- I am a white woman who does not cause problems BUT I have had 4 run ins with cops. I am not the blonde thin bimbo so I get the tickets, even when the cops lie and I call them on it too, still get the tickets. I have been bullied by 2 cops and lied to by 2, but I still acted respectful as I criticized their lies . The ones bullying I did not say jack nothing to , they have guns and I do not, I figure God will take care of them.

Carolyn – Oh, one other thing that was weird in Texas when I was in my 20s. I had bought a car for $50, and it didn’t have a hood. I kept getting stopped for that (and laughed at too, but that’s another story). The police didn’t seem to know that, yes, it was legal to drive a hoodless car then in Texas. No idea if it’s illegal now after I tormented them.
Marc ScogginWhen I was 17, I was on the way back from a church dance with my younger nephew and we were pulled over and thrown on the ground in the snow while they searched our car. We were in nice clothes. Shirts and ties. They claim that they saw marijuana seeds on my backseat. They were just Pebbles. After they searched my car, they pulled us up and said you’re free to go.
Ed Swartzenberg I drive a lot for work…. one of the things I loath is traffic cops.

I can tell you flat out, most of them are total doucebags.

Arrogant, authoritarian, doucebags.

There was one cop in Brighton…..sitting behind me at a red light. My phone rang, i picked it up and answered it (on speaker phone). Moments later the light turned green. I preceded, he threw on the lights. I pulled over (way over, for his safety) he approached the truck with his pistol out, and stood behind the B pillar. Acting irritated and frightened, he asked for my papers…..

He gave me a cell phone ticket, a littering ticket… for what, i have no idea.

And an expired registration ticket….. the registration wasn’t expired….. I brought that to his attention, he said “that’s your problem”…..

When we were done, i went straight to the Brighton PD…. and asked for the highest ranking officer i could see….

Told him in no uncertain terms that this guy is a fucking asshole, who cant handle the authority he was given…I stopped short of filling an offical complaint…. but i told him if i ever see him on the news, for something I’m going to document this conversation, and share this story with anyone that will listen.

Brenna –  PJ was pulled over once in Irondequoit while I was with him in the car. They said he looked like somebody who had recently robbed the Target store that was nearby, and we happened to be pulling out of their lot. They were asking where he was over the past few weeks, and I’m glad I was with him because I got to say that he was working at a church camp and I could vouch for his whereabouts. It was a little odd, but maybe he did look like the guy they were looking for.

Michelle Kruger Mitchell I had a period in my life for a good 6 months or so, that it seemed as if every time I went somewhere in my car I was getting pulled over and being questioned. I was about 19-20 years old. It was very frustrating, even though I was let go every single time.
Laura George Many times. I once got stopped and harrassed because my license plate was ‘dirty’. I could tell a lot of stories about encounters I’ve had with cops.

Marc Scoggin Another time, I was walking on my parent’s Street and a cop with search lights came down the road. They grabbed me and put me in the back of their car because there had been a call put in about an intruder in the neighborhood. I wasn’t doing anything wrong, but I happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Laura George Another time I had to get out of the car and do the whole sobriety thing because the cop claimed he smelled alcohol in my car. I tried to tell him it was an apple he was smelling but he thought I was lying.

David Rodman Johnson I avoid authority of all kinds . . it attracts predatory minds.

Jason Gorton I did when I was younger. It depends on the town, and what kind of car you drive. Irondequoit has always been bad.
Tera Ertz I got stopped and checked all the time for no tail light (back when I didn’t have one on my old clunker of a van, and when the one on my car was out for a bit). My son got pulled over three or four times when he was out driving late at McDonald’s in ouSee More
Janet Strief I’ve not been hassled by police. I have been watched, followed, given weird looks and a few have questioned me to find the reason why I’m in “in the hood”.

I was pulled over in mid Indiana because I did not use my turn signal for a full 300 ft when pSee More

Shannon Montgomery Grady Was pulled over three times in a 10 month period for a number of either stupid or just false reasons. Once for “appearing” to be texting when I was not and once for allegedly going 70 in a 35 even though I had just left a Red light where I was stopped See More

Laura George Another time a cop followed me for like 10 miles and then stopped me because he said I crossed the yellow line and then searched my car for drugs.
Stanley Levy Whites have 7X the law enforcement interactions that blacks have, experience 2X the number of deaths from police user of force, and receive 1% of the media coverage that blacks receive, regarding their negative interactions with cops.
Greg Jester I got beat by Chattanooga police broken arm and nose , all because I fit the description of a burglar, my family got paid good but I don’t trust police at all

Susannah Cox A relative of mine got stopped in GA for having a NY license plate

Shannon Montgomery Grady Another family members brother was shot at because police thought he fit the description of a bank robber. His dad attempted to go in the back yard to see if they shot him and the police arrested him for it. They fired four rounds into the woods where See More

Janet Strief Oh, and I think figured something out. During my last exploration of the inner city of St Louis (an area close to The Ferguson riots). Not one car stopped at stop signs. They barely slowed their roll. Almost every intersection is a 4 way stop. Most veSee More

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Brian Bertha when I was a lot younger I had an attitude that got me hassled I learned it wasnt worth arguing being more sociable gets more positive results does not mean roll over but once a certain level of aggression is reached no reasoning will occur. Like any other group you have good cops and an occasional bad cowboy.

Andrea Alessi Barbato I’ve been pulled over (my younger years), hassled I believe because I had a thug in my car. I didn’t know it nor understand it at the time but he got dropped off never to be heard from again. In retrospect while they did some background check on me See More

Lori Paige Penner Heck yes! Of course, we do. Racists are jerks, and they don’t stop being jerks just because there are no black people around. I’ve been harassed by the police, wrongly accused, wrongly arrested for simply having my own prescription medicine in my purseSee More

Lori Paige Penner My parents got stopped by the police when I was a kid because they were driving their new Volvo through our small town and the officer figured they were up to something because he never saw a car like that.

Eric R. Carlston Among my interactions with police I did have a cop roll up on me a long time ago because someone called to say there was a suspicious vehicle in the neighborhood. I was picking a friend up at his girlfriend’s house.

Lori Paige Penner I was stopped by the police because he said someone called in and said I was driving on the shoulder. My parents were in the car and we all told him he must have the wrong car because I never drive like that. He still gave me a ticket.

Dan Kulp I think blacks and whites could really come together when they realize that many of the issues are more because of a rise of a police state and an abuse of power and less because of racism. Here is one particular story close to my heart and it got barely any coverage and no national outrage – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGjA4SKSO5oManage
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Jeff Talbut I get pulled over quite a bit because “I fit a Profile”, in two differing areas…1) I fit the “Drug Buyer” profile in certain low income parts of town, I have not had a drink or a drug in over 30years, in fact when I am there it is because I am meeting with someone to help them to do the same thing, I stay polite, the cops stay polite, everyone goes on their way. before long they get to expect to see me and wave when they do. 2) I worked for a boating Magazine for 8 years, in addition to writing I also did some distribution, dropping latest issues off at every marina, yachtclub, restaurant and boat related location from Port Huron to Buffalo….a whole lot of waterfront driving, some in rural areas, much of it in Urban, Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo. “Middle aged, Tan solo guy in sunglasses, active boating area, late in the day, on a weekend, driving a Jeep” is a nearly guaranteed “DUI Stop”. They stop me…I’m fine. I stay polite, they stay polite, we all go on our way, before long they come to recognize me on sight and wave. In many ways policing is like fishing…you don’t keep going where you never catch anything, they keep fishing where the catching is consistently good.
Lori Paige Penner I once had to pay a speeding ticket 3 times because they kept losing their records of my payment and so they arrested me for non-payment….TWICE! And I paid it 3 times.

How I Became a Republican

How I Became a Republican

By Ronald F. Owens Jr.

August 1, 2017

I am the son of a United States Air Force sergeant who was born on an Air Force base near Tokyo, Japan. Raised in a Christian home, my mother and father transported my three siblings and me in our 1969 beige Volkswagen bus to three Sunday morning services. After lunch and afternoon nap, they took us to Sunday evening service. We attended Bible study on Tuesday, went to mid-week service on Wednesday, and sang at choir rehearsal on Thursday. On Friday, we had family fun night. On Saturday, we ate pancake breakfast in the morning and cleaned the house and worked in the yard in the afternoon. Then it was back to church on Sunday as we started that regimen all over again.

When we weren’t in the church, we attended prayer meetings, church seminars, and conventions. My parents exposed us to the some of the most prominent ministries of the 1970s, such as Corrie Ten Boom, Jamie Buckingham, Kenneth Copeland, Kathryn Kuhlman, John Osteen, Derek Prince, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart and David Wilkerson.

We read the Holy Bible as a family and had family Bible studies. We prayed as a family. We were also taught to read, study and pray individually. Secular music was unacceptable in our house. My mother even screened contemporary Christian music to make sure it was scriptural and spiritually edifying. Continue reading

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Trump hosted black college presidents in the Oval Office, something Barack Obama never got around to.

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Ayesha Guest Host on Talking Back w/ Shannon Joy

AyeshaHeadShotChaplain Ayesha Kreutz, President of the Frederick Douglass Foundation of NY sits in and guest hosts for the beautiful and talented Shannon Joy of  the “Talking Back with Shannon Joy” show

In Case you missed it live: Here are the archived links to the two shows I did, sitting in for Shannon Joy on the “Talking back with Shannon Joy show”  on radio station WYSL 140 AM out of NY

We all talk, race, economics, state of the black family, progressives in the church and more.

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Black matters, black question

By Chaplain Ayesha Kreutz

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Can we or shouldn’t we agree that, in the end, blacks must ultimately help themselves? I want to share three quotes, then discuss.

In 1865, whites asked what to do with freed blacks. Frederick Douglass, born into slavery, said: ” I have but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! …. If apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength…let them fall. And if the negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs!”

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REFLECTIONS ON FERGUSON: By P. Crowder

REFLECTIONS ON FERGUSON

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Here we are once again in this nation, witnessing together the aftermath of a tragedy in Ferguson, Missouri, made national because of the implications of racism.   Those in the “know” understand that the insertion of racism into any scenario spirals that scenario into an abyss of emotional mayhem.  Whether or not racism was a factor in the events that unfolded during Officer Darren Wilson’s encounter with Michael Brown on the afternoon of August 9th in Ferguson matters little.  If the perception of racism exists, the perception alone is a threat to public peace.

For the past couple of months, I’ve sat and watched the news coverage of Ferguson.  This debacle brought the same civil unrest in the black community as the trial of “white” Hispanic George Zimmerman, the man accused of murdering “unarmed” “black” teen Trayvon Martin in 2012—the media’s emphasis.

Just as it did during the George Zimmerman trial, the mainstream media played a huge role in heightening the racial tension already present between law enforcement and the black community in Ferguson.  The charge of racism immediately changed the event from a question, “Was police officer Darren Wilson justified in his actions?” to a conclusion, “Racist White cop murders unarmed Black teen.”  From the moment race was injected, the facts surrounding the case no longer mattered.  The officer was guilty in the court of public opinion no matter what the evidence suggested.

One thing is for certain, if Michael Brown was white, few of us would know who Brown of Ferguson, Missouri was. If Michael Brown was white, the question would have remained, “Was police officer Darren Wilson justified in his actions?

The Black Community

In black communities all over this nation, countless black teens die daily at the hands of other blacks.  Often times, no witnesses come forward for these crimes leaving no persons to prosecute, there is sometimes little to no neighborhood cooperation with police investigations, and there is a no snitching street code that is strictly adhered to.  Blacks often turn a blind eye, harbor and abet, and in some cases glorify the “street killers” among them.  There are no rallies, no marches, no Jesse, no Sharpton, no NAACP, no outrage.  No “Justice for Mike Brown” or “I am Trayvon Martin” mantras, only silence.

When a black man kills another black man, there are no cries, no moral outrage, and no indignation.

Michael Brown the Martyr

This leads me to conclude that the happening in Ferguson really had nothing to do with Officer Wilson or Michael Brown at all. If it did, facts would matter, but they don’t.  In this particular instance, Officer Wilson is an offense because he is a white cop, and because there seems to be a concerted effort by the media et al to push a radical agenda that will eventually lead to a race war, Wilson has been dubbed every racist White cop, and Brown –a martyr—in this war for racial justice.

After the death of Trayvon Martin, Reverend Jesse Jackson is quoted as saying, “Trayvon Martin is a martyr. . . Martyr’s have power.  He represents us all . . . How do we go from a moment to a movement that creates fundamental change? If it’s a moment, we go home. If it’s a movement, we go to war.  Movements are made of serious substance. … There is power in the blood of the innocent.”

The powers that be have snatched Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown from the reality and facts surrounding the lives they once lived, and christened them as martyrs for the cause.  This is why black people will protest and even riot in the name of justice for Martin and Brown in cities far away, but are silent when black people are murdered in much greater numbers by the hands of their own in their own backyard.  It is evident that black on black crime creates only moments, not movements.

Black Leaders Speak Out

Jesse calls for war, but like other race baiting liberal operatives with an agenda, he will suffer no injuries in this war.  There is no sacrifice for him.  He is shielded by political power and privilege and is paid considerably well by his political party for creating racial strife and keeping black people angry.

If Jesse was truly concerned about racial profiling, racist cops, unlawful searches, and black teens being killed by white cops, he would discourage blacks from becoming confrontational with police and encourage them to join the force.  What greater way to ensure people are treated justly at the hands of police officers than by being a police officer that treats all men fairly.

As of late, random acts of violence and terror against whites are on the rise.  If black so-called leaders are truly concerned about justice, why are they not condemning this evil done to others, the same evil that they claim is being done to them; this evil that only stands to substantiate racial stereotypes that black men are violent animals.  These wicked acts are among the greatest tools for white supremacy groups to recruit people to their cause.

If black so-called leaders are truly concerned about justice, why not call for an end to the black on black violence with the same zeal as they do white on black violence.  With over 90% of black men killed being killed by other black men, we appear hypocritical when we decry white on black violence and close our eyes to the black on black violence within the bounds of our communities.

How Do We Combat Racism?

I will never deny that racism exists.  It is alive and well, and has been since near the beginning of human history.  Yet, do we combat racism by inciting divisions, violence, and hate?  Do we allow politicians and race baiters to profit from stirring fear and distrust among the races?  Do we reckon racism as political when it is spiritual?

Those of us who know God understand that true peace will not be wrought through human effort. The Bible teaches us that nation, or races, will rise up against nation.  Things will get worse.  Wickedness will increase.  Racial strife will intensify.  But we should not lose hope.  As believers, we are given a mandate to lead the charge against racism in a way that will bring people into the Kingdom of God.  We hold the answers and have the moral authority to speak to the root of the problem, which is sin.  “We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.”  We are to implore others on Christ’s behalf to “Be reconciled to God.”  Because, “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” ~ 2 Corinthians 5:11-21.

Conclusion

So I say again, racism is a spiritual matter that cannot be remedied solely through human effort. I pray that Christians everywhere would obey Christ’s command to, “love your neighbor as yourself” and teach others to do the same.  If we are standing on the side of right, our conscience will lead us to fight injustice, not by promoting hate, but demonstrating love and respect for all people.

The abolitionists stood on the side of right, the Civil Rights leaders stood on the side of right, and all who stand against injustice, stand on the side of right.  Even so, racism remains.

If we claim to hate racism and its destructive fruits, we would seek not only to right wrongs through human effort, but attack the “ism” problems (racism, sexism, classism, etc.) at their roots, through the ministry of reconciliation.  We need to be reconciled unto God through Jesus Christ so that we can see people as God sees them.  In Jesus Christ there is no partiality.

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981 Black Missourians have died since Micheal Brown

How is it Planned Genocide, I mean Planned Parenthood has the audacity to jump into the Micheal Brown / Ferguson debate? And moreover where is the outrage from blacks that they dare even speak on it?
If #blacklivesmatter Why are there not protest and riots in front of Planned Parenthood? This organization was specifically started to target and eradicate blacks and other undesirables. Talk about being a hypocrite. Since Michael Brown Died, 981 Black Babies Have Died in Abortion in Missouri, But There are No Riots.

Check out this great article by Keep Life Legal

Reprinted with permission

DEATH IS SOLD HERE: Breakdown of ACTUAL Black

Deaths in Missouri; Before & After Michael Brown

Today, my native city of St. Louis is under siege; one black man was shot dead by a police officer because he feared for his own life while on duty. The people of Ferguson and surrounding municipalities including St. Louis are looting, setting fires, rolling cars, etc., because of one person….ONE.

Since the day that Michael Brown died [Aug 9, 2014], another 981 Black Missourians have died; 9 per day, every day since then. These Black Missourians were unarmed, innocent, and had no ability to defend themselves and died in plain sight. But there is no outrage, no riots, not one protest.

So, while these rioters are trying to destroy my native city of St. Louis because of the death of ONE Black man, the rioters overlook the fact that just a couple of miles away at Planned Parenthood on Forest Park Avenue, another 109 Black babies have died since Michael Brown. That is 9 Black babies per day that are MURDERED in plain sight.

Why aren’t the rioters at Planned Parenthood defending themselves and their future generations? Why do they allow themselves to be essentially exterminated by abortion but riot over one?

Today I am appalled at the people of St. Louis, at the government of the city and state, for allowing people to die from abortion death EVERY DAY and have the audacity to be upset at the death of just one. St. Louis turns it head while thousands die every year. Appalled? No…I’m ASHAMED.

See the facts below. Links are included.

Missouri Abortion Facts:

  • Abortion is LEGAL up to 22 weeks, well past halfway through the pregnancy
  • In the last reported year [2012] there were 9027 reported abortions. See that report here.
  • There is ONE abortion facility in Missouri, Planned Parenthood in St. Louis
  • Abortion has been legal in Missouri since 1973

Missouri Abortion Statistics Breakdown

  • Total abortions for 2012: 9027
  • Of Caucasian women: 4836 or 48.36% of all abortions
  • Of Black women: 3266 or 32.66% of all abortions

Population Statistics for the State of Missouri [2013] from the United States Census Bureau state there are a total 6,044,171 residents, 83.7% Caucasian, 11.7% Black.

Since Black Missourians make up 11.7% of residents and 32.66% of all reported Missouri abortions, are Black Missourians going the way of what Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger intended?

 

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Yes, the government has an insatiable appetite. The government will never be satisfied until it consumes everything and one of the best ways to continue to grow and gain control is to convince people you cannot do with out it. The more dependent we become on government programs the less independent we become. The more we relegate the responsibilities of the family and church to government the more we become as slaves. Help fight for freedom, liberty and life not defend and justify mediocrity – Chaplain Kreutz

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The individual who can do something that the world wants done, will in the end, make his way regardless of race.
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We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes non-work.
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He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else.
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A T-Shirt For White Liberals In The Hood!

The solution to violent crime plaguing liberal White folks colonizing the Hood is:

Wear t-shirts declaring, ” Don’t Shoot- I Voted For Obama!, ” so chocolate Klansmen ( my nick name for hoods in the Hood ) won’t harm you!

All jokes aside, it underscores the fatal folly of moving to areas whose criminals blame White folks for EVERYTHING!

Ever notice how peers who’re talking heads and progressive donors ” help ” the Hood long range, from distant suburbs to gated communities? 

Liberalism can only go so far before self-preservation kicks in!

Chocolate Klansmen aren’t swayed by how often you chant about hating Republicans nor forests of weed smoked with would-be scouts or even potential assailants, hoping to be granted a ghetto pass from harm.

When it’s time, they’ll happily deprive White liberals of property, dignity and even life itself as a felonious form of wealth redistribution.

Take it from a brutally honest brother; ditch rose colored glasses and take a hike to a safer side of time.

Otherwise, since you’re pacifists in a war zone, keep your, ” Don’t Shoot- I Voted For Obama! ” t-shirt handy and your hands held high!

Nadra Enzi aka Cap Black The Hood Conservative is an anti crime activist & Project 21 member in New Orleans.

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